Lots of reports have appeared in the aviation press over the last day or so, making me wonder if Airbus have it in the bag for Project Sunrise. For those that don’t know, these are the touted non-stop Qantas flights between New York and Sydney, and London and Sydney.
The specific aircraft on offer are the Boeing 777-8 being pitched against the Airbus A350-1000. There are a few reasons why I think Airbus might have the edge now.
All Airbus All The Time
Recent reports have had quite a lot of comment from people at Airbus on the matter and total radio silence from Boeing. Flight Global have an excellent article from yesterday with a lot of comments from the Toulouse manufacturer.
Does Airbus Have It In The Bag?
By comparison, there is nothing coming out of Boeing and we’re apparently only a month or two away from an aircraft selection by Qantas. Another factor to consider is the delays Boeing are experiencing with the new 777.
The Project Sunrise candidate aircraft is the Boeing 777-8, but development has been put on hold. Instead, the Seattle manufacturer has offered Qantas the larger Boeing 777-9 as a stopgap until the smaller and longer legged plane is available.
Nobody yet knows what will happen, but the wait is nearly over. Test flights on the long routes are taking place one per month over the next three months with Boeing 787 Dreamliners, with the first in the next few days. These should validate the routes.
Overall Thoughts
It is entirely possible that Airbus have it, with their lighter aircraft that will be available sooner than the competition. Even so, the whole package needs to be considered and that includes long term maintenance costs, any kind of financing deals and more.
The speculation continues and the Qantas CEO Alan Joyce has been at pains to point out that if the business case doesn’t stack up, they won’t be going ahead with it. Let’s keep everything crossed that it does though, as these will be the longest flights in the world if they go ahead.
What do you think? Do Airbus have it in the bag or is it Boeing for the win? Thank you for reading and if you have any comments or questions, please leave them below.
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I find it odd that they would test run the flights with a Boeing 787, if their intent is to use another manufacturer. There are, and will be, obvious and perhaps dramatic differences in the aircraft operating systems and to a degree pilot workloads, so it really doesn’t make sense to me. If I’m planning on driving across the country in a Land Rover why would I test the run in a Jeep??
I guess, the 787 is the most modern aircraft they have and would be closest to whichever they end up choosing. Using an Airbus A330 or a Boeing 747 would not be the same, as they are technologically from a different era compared to the new jets. I hear your point though! Thanks for the comment!
i wouldn’t necessarily call sunrise plane “interim” considering very few city pairs with substantial volume are even at the length of SYD-LHR, so unless Boeing and Airbus are insane, they wouldn’t be overbuilding their planes to Sunrise specs in the future to the detriment of most customers.
I wasn’t referring the sunrise aircraft as interim. I specifically meant Boeing offering the 777-9 in place of the 777-8 (which is the aircraft that is supposed to do the mission) was an interim measure. Each of the aircraft in contention wouldn’t be built if it wasn’t commercially viable for the manufacturer, so I agree with you completely there. Thanks for the comment!
While it’s somewhat interesting to see if Project Sunrise happens any time soon, I find the choice of aircraft to be secondary. First, Qantas needs to get the pilots on board which is no mean feat considering that the pilots feel tricked after the last contract. Assuming Qantas can convince the pilots that the airline will not show the same bad faith, one airplane beginning the service doesn’t necessarily mean that plane will be the one flying the route five years later. It will still be a proud moment for Airbus or Boeing, but this seems unlikely to be a… Read more »
I’m not wading into any speculation with regards to the pilots as I have never seen a Qantas long-haul pilots contract. Therefore, I am in no position to comment or judge on who may be feeling what. I somehow doubt things would have progressed this far if there wasn’t a good deal of expectation that it was going to get over the line. These kind of flights are exciting for pilots too, after all. When it comes to it being a game changer, it is for Australian people. Not having to stop mid-way through a flight when going to London… Read more »